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ADD & LOVING IT?! REACHED
OUT TO MILLIONS of PBS viewers this past year with a powerful
message: First, that adults can have ADHD. Second, that it can explain
their lifelong challenges. And third, that despite its challenges,
adults with ADHD can have wonderful lives.
Who is the dynamic duo behind this Adult ADHD awareness juggernaut? Meet
Rick and Ava Green, married only three years but artistic collaborators
eighteen years ago on a project that proved eerily prophetic.
At that time, Rick was a writer and co-star on The Red Green
Show, a comedy series still seen on the CBC and PBS that remains
one of the longest-running primetime series in North America. Rick
played Bill, described as “an outdoorsman with a
difference—he's a walking disaster area, a complete physical
klutz. His weekly Adventure films are like Road Runner cartoons, only in
black and white. And slower music. And not quite as believable.”
Ava Green was called in to be video editor, and her first assignment was
working with Rick on the "Adventures with Bill" segments. Years later,
with Rick finally diagnosed with ADHD and the couple having founded Big
Brain Productions, that character Bill inspired the ADDventures with
Bill videos featured on TotallyADD.com,
the company website.
Canadian writer, director, and actor Rick Green has performed on stage,
record albums, radio, and television, picking up impressive awards in
every arena. Most recently, for his work as the creator and director of
ADD & Loving It?!, Rick was honored with the prestigious
Celebrity Transforming Lives award from the Canadian Centre for
Addiction and Mental Health. Ava Green is a veteran video editor and
producer who has worked on many television productions, including
History Bites and The Red Green Show.
Married on the eve of New Year’s Eve 2008, Rick and Ava created
Big Brain Productions in 2008 and wasted no time in producing the Global
TV documentary-comedy ADD & Loving It?!, featuring Canadian
actor Patrick McKenna. Close friends in real life and co-stars on
The Red Green Show, both McKenna and Rick Green have been
diagnosed with ADHD. In this entertaining but educational film, the pair
(along with Patrick’s wife, Janis) share candid stories of life
while untreated and undiagnosed, and how they’re successfully
coping now. Along the way, they interview many top ADHD experts,
including Canadian psychiatrists Margaret Weiss, Umesh Jain, and Annick
Author and longtime ADHD advocate Gina Pera sat down with Ava and Rick
Green to learn about their professional backgrounds and motivation for
creating ADD & Loving It?!
Gina Pera: Many years after meeting on The Red
Green Show, you worked together again on the show Rick developed
for Canada’s history channel, History Bites. Describe the
creative process you shared on that show.
Ava: Rick was writing, producing, and
hosting, so he was calling the shots for the show. I was editing.
Sometimes we’d put the show together the way it was scripted, and
think it was awful. Then we put our heads together in the editing suite
and love the final product.
When it comes to working with Rick, it was very different experience
than I was accustomed to. His background working in comedy was that
there are no bad ideas; you brainstorm ideas and play them out a bit
before choosing which to pursue. You let all the ideas flow freely
without judging them, and only later do you start choosing from among
them. By contrast, in my previous work with others, brainstorming ideas
would be cut a little shorter—more snap judgments would be made
earlier in the process. With Rick, I learned to listen to all the ideas
Rick: When you’re writing the first
draft, it’s all genius. Very often stuff I think is good
doesn’t make sense later, or it’s an old joke retold.
There’s the writing process and the trimming process. I’m
not necessarily a good editor, because what I typically see is new
things to add. It works for me to have someone else editing.
Ava, many partners of adults with ADHD will want to know how you
field Rick’s ideas when they come fast and furiously. Where do you
two draw the line and decide it’s time to stop brainstorming and
move forward with best, concrete ideas?
Ava: You mean when hare-brained ideas
come up, what do you do? You let them bubble up and not react. You sit
back a bit, not rushing in, not trying to control everything all the
time. And for me as an editor, that was a real learning curve to not do
that anymore. Sometimes I regress, because it does takes more energy to
entertain the possibilities of so many ideas. It can drain you in a
heartbeat. Sometimes I realize that I’ve “taken my foot off
the brakes” for so long that I forget I need to put on the brakes
Mostly, the way it works is this. Rick is as creative as he wants to be.
And he runs ideas by me all the time. But I don’t always have to
actively pursue them or put a lot of mental energy with each of them. He
is very productive with his ideas. But he absolutely trusts my judgment
about which to pursue and which to let go.
Speaking of productive ideas, let’s talk
about how the idea for ADD & Loving It?! came about.
Rick’s motivation seems to be explained, at least in part, in his
bio on the TotallyADD.com website: “Everything I used to know
about ADHD was wrong.”
Ava: Yes, Rick had this idea ever
since he was diagnosed, and wanted to share it with people. In spring
2009, we pitched the idea to Global Television (a Canadian national
network). The person we pitched it to had worked with Rick at the
History Bites show. Canada funds documentaries that meet
certain qualifications. So he asked Rick if we could do this as a
documentary. Rick said, “Sure,” without missing a beat. Then
we walked out the door, looked at each other and said,
“We’ve never done a documentary!”
Rick: I knew a few documentary makers, and I
knew there were resources we could turn to if we got lost. But a true
documentary is where you sit back and let the camera record what is
happening. What we did was quasi-educational and entertainment—we
could even call it a comedy special. That was all intentional and
deliberate, because we were competing against the Kardashian sisters and
I was not going to show my cleavage. I wanted people who were dismissive
of ADHD to tune in.
And so you came up with a provocative title: ADD &
Loving It?! How did you come to decide upon that title, and what
exactly does it mean to each of you?
Ava: The original title was ADD
& Loving It—no exclamation and question mark. The idea
just came to me one morning: “You can have ADD and still love
life.” That’s the possibility we wanted to convey. Not that
you love ADHD, but that you love life. That title was bothering some of
the experts we’d asked to interview, however, and some people
affected by ADHD in test audiences were enraged by it, because they felt
we were minimizing their challenges. That’s when we added the
exclamation point and question mark.
Rick: In the end, the title was meant to be
both ambiguous and provocative—so you could come from either
extreme (“ADHD is awful” and “ADHD is a gift”)
and expect that you will see a show that you agree with.
Did the initial, unambiguous title, without a question mark,
also reflect your perspective of ADHD, that all everyone who has ADHD is
like Rick and Patrick McKenna (who co-stars in the show)—that is,
successful, funny, and creative people?
Ava: When we started, we sort of did
have the idea that all people with ADHD were like Rick and
Patrick—successful, funny, and creative people. As we got further
into the project, however, we learned that many people with ADHD have a
very tough time. Moreover, not everyone has access to experts. And, not
everyone has support at home, especially if the parents also had
Rick: I certainly saw in the comedy community
that there is a lot of ADHD. What I didn’t see until we started
creating the documentary was all the other aspects of ADHD. Especially
the downside. I don’t think I really appreciated how hard some
people were struggling. Before then, I hadn’t heard or encountered
people who were openly ADHD and struggling severely.
Rick, you’ve spoken about medication helping you. Yet many
people assume that medication dampens creativity, which your work surely
depends upon. Can you talk about your experience?
Rick: I take a stimulant, and took
one for the first time ten years ago. I’ll tell you about that
first week I tried it.
I was so nervous, because I had never taken drugs. I’d had maybe
three glasses of beer in my life! The doc said the ADHD medication was
safer than the caffeine (which I was consuming in great quantities). The
first day, I broke the pill in half, and it was already the lowest dose.
I felt nothing. Next day, I took the whole pill. Still no difference.
There I am waiting to hear Jefferson Airplane playing White Rabbit. But
no psychedelic effects kicked in. By the fourth day, I thought, I
don’t know if the medication is doing anything. So, I decided to
put it to the test.
As a business owner in Canada, we have to submit a tax called the GST
(goods and service tax). I was fifteen months behind. I figured, this
will be the perfect test. I took the medication, and then I dragged out
my heaps of GST paperwork. By the end of the day I was only three months
behind. In one day! Literally, the hair on the back of my neck stood up.
I thought, What did I just do? The next day, I continued with the same
dosage, but this time I was writing comedy. I wasn’t zombied out.
The writing was funny. In fact, I was more productive than usual. I got
lots more done than I normally might have.
It’s hard to believe now, Ava, but just a few short years
ago you had no familiarity with ADHD when you started seeing each other.
In fact, it seems you were quite concerned not only in Rick accepting
the diagnosis but also in his taking the medication. What can you two
remember about that time in your life together?
Rick: For Ava, I think it was kind of
like being a vegetarian and living with someone who only eats burgers.
That’s the best way to describe it. That person might not knock
the burger out of your hand but somewhere there is an unspoken
"HE’S A KILLER!" in the room. Underneath that, however, was her
concern for me. Even now, people will show their concern for me with
skepticism about ADHD, saying they’re worried that I might become
a pawn of big pharmaceutical companies or that I’m diminishing my
accomplishments by talking about my ADHD. I used to get defensive. Now I
remind myself they are showing concern for me. Once they know more about
ADHD, they relax.
Ava: It’s true. I certainly didn’t
understand anything about ADHD back then, or why you would take
medication for it. I thought ADHD was overdiagnosed, I thought Ritalin
was scary, and I hated that Rick took medication. No, it had nothing to
do with how the medication affected him. It was simply my prejudice.
For most of my adult life, I was very ignorant when it came to any
mental-health conditions— depression, ADHD, or anything else. I
had the same thoughts that many other people have when they don’t
understand the nature of these challenges: “Straighten up. Pull up
your bootstraps. What’s your problem?”
I didn’t start to truly understand ADHD medications until I
started working on the documentary. By that time, though, I was a
different person, one who no longer thought she knew everything. I had
never thought I’d get a divorce, but my marriage had ended a few
years before. Many things shifted, and so I had to reassess. I was
depressed when I left my marriage, and I started to understand what that
feels like, and why you can’t just pull yourself up by your
bootstraps. I became a lot more empathic and able to put myself in other
Finally, I realized that Rick taking ADHD medication really wasn’t
about me at all; it was about his experience of his day. His
moment-to-moment experience. I trusted him to convey his experience, and
I honored that. I did notice that he was not frittering away time. He
was more productive. He would actually be able to focus on what needed
to be done.
Before you started out, what was your vision for the
Rick: Everyone says, when they
experience certain tragic or painful events in life, “Some day
we’ll laugh at this.” I say, “Why wait?”
When I get heavy or significant and dramatic about how something’s
gone wrong and it’s not fair, it is a lifesaver to be able to
laugh, to get perspective, to see that this too shall pass and
it’s not the end of the world. Doing this documentary and then the
website and the various videos has been a journey fraught with potholes,
wrong turns, flat tires and even a couple of head-on collisions. So we
made sure we had a big enough goal—a destination if you
will—that was going to make the journey worthwhile.
So before we started we created a goal: “Thanks to this
documentary ten thousand children will not lie in bed tonight, staring
at the ceiling with wet eyes, wondering ‘what’s wrong with
me?’ And the parents won’t be down the hall in their bedroom
arguing and confused.” With that purpose, it was much easier to
get over any speed bumps. When we were tired or frustrated or upset,
well, ten thousand children were waiting for us.
Ava: That was our touchstone throughout the
project. Whenever we hit snags, we kept this bigger context in mind. Our
goal was to end suffering, provide encouragement, and lighten the load.
Yes, there is ADHD and, armed with the right tools, you can have the
life you love.
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